Meta & Children's Online SafetyChat: It's a social comparison app, fucking get used to it
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Wednesday 29 July 2020
16:04Darius Kilsteinlove how you so gracefully share a kitchen with your wife in the background
16:04Darius Kilsteinwhen I go to the kitchen and shes working she is NOT HAPPY
16:04Darius Kilsteinlol
16:04████lol
16:04████I mean
16:04████I don't have many choices
16:29████It's crazy how much power we have
16:29████Especially when it comes to ranking
16:30████There are so many subtle ways to affect distribution and literally change outcomes of elections
16:31Darius KilsteinI dunno
16:31Darius KilsteinI dont think IG really influences elections that much
16:31Darius KilsteinFB definitely more
16:31████Oh i'm det thinking of FB inc
16:31Darius Kilsteinbut even then, are the effect sizes of social media on election results even that large?
16:31████Mostly FB
16:32████It's definitely hard to know, but when our elections get decided by like ~170K voters you start to wonder
16:32Darius KilsteinI see US 2020 Election work less as "don't influence the election poorly" and more of a "lets avoid a PR disaster"
16:32████100%
16:34Darius KilsteinDude whats your plan to get to director
16:34Darius KilsteinAre you trying?
16:34Darius KilsteinAre you able to get there with your small team?
16:34████I'm here for the fun not the money
16:34████Especially the fun long nights working
16:35Darius KilsteinLol
16:36Darius KilsteinI was thinking of whether to be IC or go for Director in 2-3 years and make more money
16:36Darius KilsteinHence why I'm asking
16:36Darius KilsteinLeaning towards staying as a mgr
16:36████no. 100% not.
16:36Darius KilsteinCoz I want to retire in 6 years
16:36████I mean
16:36████We have zero IC8s in all Analytics in FB inc
16:37Darius KilsteinYa
16:37Darius Kilsteinlol
16:37████So
16:37Darius KilsteinWait let me make you laugh
16:37Darius Kilsteinhttps://fb.quip.com/awhpAnTG5004
16:37Darius KilsteinDiscussed this with yesterday 101
16:38Darius KilsteinBasically framed it as: Suffering today vs future money
16:38Darius Kilsteini'm leaning towards future money
16:38████This is great
16:38████So, this is a false dichotomy IMМНО
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16:39████Think on
16:39████Doesn't work weekendsss
16:39████Doesn't take shit from anyone
16:39████Doesn't go to meetings if they are not about his main priority
16:39████IC7
16:39Darius KilsteinYep that sounds great?
16:39████I bet you his life is 100x better than ours
16:40Darius Kilsteinyes totally
16:40Darius Kilsteinthats what I mean
16:40████So, do that for 10 years
16:40Darius KilsteinI estimated 20% better, but ye
16:40████Or become a director and retire in 6 years????
16:40Darius Kilsteinyup
16:40Darius Kilsteincorrect
16:40Darius KilsteinThats a nice framing too
16:41Darius KilsteinI prefer 4 years of my life
16:41Darius Kilsteinlol
16:41Darius KilsteinI estimate my life as an IC will be 20% better
16:41████Having kids changes the calculus
16:41████Years aren't fungible
16:42████My daughter is only going to be this cute for so long
16:42████All that said, I'm still trying to go for the manager life
16:43████If I get too burned out, I can move to Idaho tomorrow
16:43Darius Kilsteinwhat's your plan here if you dont mind me asking (feel free not to answer)
16:43████And I won't have to work
16:43Darius KilsteinDid they teach you to plant and cultivate potatoes as a kid in Venezuela? :P
16:43████lol
16:44████I can teach math or cook for a living
16:44████Either sounds amazing
16:44████I think that the worst kept secret in IG is that there is a reorg coming
16:45Darius Kilsteinoh lol actually i didnt know that
16:45Darius KilsteinAre you getting anything good?
16:45████oh right. Community is literally the only part of the company unaffected
16:45████Yeah. Chaotic but good.
16:46████Please don't share anything at all. Even though everyone outside of Community kind of knows, HR is being suuuuuper sensitive
16:48Darius KilsteinNice!
16:48Darius KilsteinWill yoru ecosystem team get to do more ecosystem stuff?
16:48Darius Kilsteincurious to see how that plugs in
16:48Darius Kilsteinto a reorg
16:48████1ol maybe one day
16:48████I mean, to be clear the Eco team remains intact and I will still manage
16:49Darius Kilsteinsubtext: I wish I managed your team
16:49Darius Kilsteinlol
16:49Darius KilsteinIt's deff the most interesting work
16:49████My comment was more about the fact that now we're working on projects that in an ideal world SE would work on
16:50████Well it you become an IC (or a TLM) I know what team you're joining
16:50Darius Kilsteinhaha yeh it's in my quip! lol
16:50Darius Kilsteinthink im gonna stick around for the benjamins tho
16:50Darius Kilsteini dont dislike being a people manager
16:50Darius Kilsteinits just more stressful
16:51Darius Kilsteinbut i enjoy the type of work roughly the same as analysis
16:51████But really.
Teads Feed Recs and Daisy. So, actual Ecosystems work will have to wait
16:51Darius Kilsteinoh is on Daisy now?
16:51████yup
16:51Darius Kilsteingofddamn it
16:52████It's ruined several careers
16:52Darius KilsteinIt's a social comparison app, fucking get used to it
16:52Darius Kilsteinlol
16:52████But I trust it won't ruin
16:52████We just need to make a fucking decision and put it to bed
16:53████Facebook won't even test it, because they get it
16:59████I just saw that you were asking how much money directors make
16:59Darius KilsteinLOL
16:59Darius Kilsteindo you know?
16:59████(in the QUIP)
16:59████It's a fairly standard formula from what I've heard.
17:00████Every level you go up, your base salary increases by around 1.2x
17:00████And refreshers around 1.7x
17:00████and the bonuses increase 5 percentage points
17:00Darius KilsteinI assume there's a high chance of additional DE when you become a director too right?
17:01████Of course, DE and initial grants mean that salary ranges are huge
17:01Darius KilsteinI calculated this will be about 600K difference post-tax for me
17:01Darius Kilsteinwith the following assumptions:
17:02████BTW, 50% of DE goes to the same people half after half
17:02Darius Kilstein1/2 Year to director 2/ I work for the remaining 4 years after that 3/ I assumed a 2X rate for refreshers and i assumed a 2X rate on a one-off DE
17:02████Wow my math is a bit lower
17:02Darius KilsteinI'm talking about realizing all of the refreshers and DE tho
17:03Darius Kilsteinvery rough calculations, could be off
17:04████honetsly working remotely from a cheaper state with lower taxes and not getting promoted it's not super different
17:04Darius KilsteinYa also it's tastier...mmmmmm... idaho potatoes
17:05Darius Kilsteinwill you get director scope in the reorg?
17:05████I think so?
17:05Darius KilsteinI mean, we have a pillar lead that is a director already, my working theory is that within a few years it'll be more normal to be a director at the pillar lead level
17:05████Definitely closer than in the current situation
17:06████I'd be suuuuuuper surprised if head of growth DS weren't a dir position soon
17:06Darius KilsteinThe rate at which has been promoting Pillar leads will be CEO's in no time
17:06████and also have huuuge teams already
17:06████LOL
17:07████I mean, we'll all be working for him soon
17:07Darius KilsteinI think I was in his PSC when he was put up from IC4 to IC5 when I joined 2.5 years go
17:07████I was his bootcamp mentor!
17:07Darius KilsteinLOL
17:07████I'm almost certain he joined as an IC3
17:16Darius Kilsteinohmygod that is insane
17:17Darius Kilsteinits like the last 10 years of my professional career before IG was worth nothing
17:17Darius Kilsteinlol
17:25████Yah
17:25████I started the corporate world at 32
17:25████Never made more than $25k a year before that
17:26Darius Kilsteinomg really
17:26Darius Kilsteinwow
17:26Darius Kilsteincrazy
17:26Darius KilsteinI been going for a while : P
17:26Darius Kilsteinwas a software eng for 2 years, analyst for 1 at an insurance company, then worked at ebay for 3.5 years then soundcloud for 4 years and now here for 2.5 :P
17:26████Never made more than $25k a year before that
17:26████He's almost a director and hasn't turned 30 yet
17:27Darius KilsteinYa I mean I guess its good, if you're performing well why not, i do wonder if he's been artificially inflated though
17:29████I think he's absolutely brilliant. Plus right manager and right team. A winning combination.