Meta & Children's Online SafetyChat: the elephant in the room there is age
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Saturday 2 February 2019
13:20Karina Lynn Newtonps: i find it to be a very weird world we're living in where fb leadership is making threshold decisions of ig hashtags?
13:24████It's strange and unwelcome.
13:24████So you're not alone.
13:25████It's also the wrong level of granularity of discussion, imo.
13:25████We keep pretending there's a purely technical solution.
13:25████There's going to be SSI content on IG and FB for the near future. The existing classifiers are not hard to game.
13:25████And (as you noted) false positive become a bigger concern as we adjust thresholds.
13:26Karina Lynn Newtonit's bananas
13:26████I'd almost rather go from 30% to >0% as opposed to gradual steps. At least that's easy to explain.
13:27Karina Lynn Newtonit doesn't seem like we are critically identifying what problems we're trying to solve for and what the actual business risk for those problems is. and by we i mean "fb leadership"
13:27Karina Lynn Newtonthe biggest issue underlying all of this is less about the content but what is appropriate for teens and pre-teens and the elephant in the room there is age I would be putting our efforts in addressing that core issue
13:28Karina Lynn Newtonie if we collected age on IG we could age-gate this content (assuming ssi classifiers worked) and if we used age classifiers we could detect under 13s and kick them off the platform so they wouldn't have access to content that's not appropriate for them to find)
13:28Karina Lynn Newtonthat's the actual policy on fire risk
13:28████Mmm, maybe. Then we get into the "what's ok for 13-year-olds vs 14- or 15-?" kinda of conversations tho.
13:29████It feels more like "do we listen to experts or the media when they disagree?"
13:29████Maybe I'm over-simplifying.
13:32Karina Lynn Newtonthose conversations are happening already and there's significant legislation on the horizon to mandate higher age requirements in various aka we are in a near term regulatory environment where we could be told by law that you have to be 16 in germany to use ig eu countries and 15 in uk
13:32Karina Lynn Newtonso that's what we're trying to solve for on policy end
13:32Karina Lynn Newtonbut agree on your meta point
13:33Karina Lynn Newtonwho we listen to is critical
13:33████Makes sense for SSI. Drugs, CT...
13:33████Those are a bit different.
13:33Karina Lynn Newtonyeah, i hear you
13:33████Anyhow, I'll figure out the data stuff Monday morning if Chris doesn't beat me to it. I bet he will.
13:33Karina Lynn Newtonshould we add him to that thread?
13:34aHe's on it.
13:35████The group chat I mean.
13:35████I'll add him to the email thread. Good idea.
13:35Max Christian EulensteinEmail thread is a bit clearer on the ask and expected turnaround time.
13:37████Done and you're both cc'ed.
13:39Karina Lynn Newtonty, glad to be living in bananas world with you two
13:40Max Christian Eulensteinit's an exciting time :)
13:40Karina Lynn Newtonyes, so many opportunities for growth :)