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Protecting Kids Online: Facebook Instagram and Mental Health Harms

Witness: Antigone Davis

62 published exchanges

Exchanges follow video timestamps when all are recorded; otherwise they follow the published source order.

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Exchange 1

Ben Ray Luján → Antigone Davis

Narrative: Profits over SafetyHarm: Hate speech
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Ben Ray Luján

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Antigone Davis

Question"Has Facebook ever made internal product decisions that prioritized engagement over the potential impact on misinformation, hate speech, or violence and incitement?"

ResponseSays Facebook prioritizes meaningful over polarizing content and works to limit exposure to debunked misinformation and borderline content.

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Exchange 2

Mike Lee → Antigone Davis

Harm: Child sexual exploitation
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Mike Lee

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Antigone Davis

QuestionAsks how much material Facebook refers to NCMEC yearly and whether the referral process needs reform.

ResponseCites zero-tolerance child exploitation policies, detection technology, and victim support resources; says no tolerance for child sexual exploitation.

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Exchange 3 · 2:08:58 ▶

Mike Lee → Antigone Davis

Harm: Child sexual exploitationInitiative: Children's Data Privacy
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Mike Lee

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Antigone Davis

Question"Does Facebook collect data—do either Facebook or Instagram collect data or assign interest of adult related material to the profiles of children using your platform?"

ResponseStates Meta bans tobacco and alcohol ads to minors and prohibits sexualization of minors on its platforms.

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Exchange 4 · 1:10:02 ▶

Amy Klobuchar → Antigone Davis

Other Topics: Lifetime Value for Teens
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Amy Klobuchar

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Antigone Davis

QuestionAsks for the estimated lifetime value of underage users and whether profit was ever a factor in related product decisions.

ResponseSays decisions for young users focus on parental tools and better experience, not profit calculus, while acknowledging Meta is a business.

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Exchange 5 · 1:41:41 ▶

Richard Blumenthal → Antigone Davis

Harm: Addiction & problematic useInitiative: Take a Break
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Richard Blumenthal

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Antigone Davis

Question"[W]hat are you going to do to fix the problem? You are essentially saying there is no problem. Is that right?"

ResponsePoints to the 'take a break' feature meant to interrupt excessive scrolling or app use.

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Exchange 6 · 1:35:23 ▶

Ben Ray Luján → Antigone Davis

Narrative: Profits over Safety
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Ben Ray Luján

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Antigone Davis

QuestionAsks yes-or-no whether Facebook ever advanced a change known to harm users because it grew usage or revenue.

Response“That has not been my experience at all at Facebook. We care deeply about the safety and security of the people on our platform.”

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Exchange 7 · 2:25:29 ▶

Dan Sullivan → Antigone Davis

Initiative: Teen Time Spent Optimization
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Dan Sullivan

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Antigone Davis

Question“But isn’t part of your business model to have more eyeballs for a longer amount of time engaged using your services?”

ResponseDenies the model is about maximizing eyeballs, citing news feed changes that cut time spent by ~50M hours/day for a better experience.

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Exchange 8

Amy Klobuchar → Antigone Davis

Narrative: KnowledgeInitiative: TweensInitiative: U13 Classifiers/Age-Verification
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Amy Klobuchar

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Antigone Davis

Question"Does Facebook have any internal estimates within the last 18 months of how many kids under 13 have accounts on any or all of its services, excluding Messenger Kids?"

ResponseSays Meta has limited data on underage users since they're barred by policy, and removes them once identified.

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Exchange 9 · 58:08 ▶

Marsha Blackburn → Antigone Davis

Narrative: Youth TargetingInitiative: TweensInitiative: U13 Classifiers/Age-Verification
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Marsha Blackburn

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Antigone Davis

QuestionChallenges research and marketing allegedly aimed at 8-12 year-olds and asks how the under-13 policy is actually enforced.

ResponseDenies marketing to 8-12 year-olds, cites 600,000 underage accounts removed in three months, and describes age-screening and reporting tools.

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Exchange 10 · 1:31:06 ▶

Ben Ray Luján → Antigone Davis

Narrative: KnowledgeInitiative: TweensInitiative: Children's Data Privacy
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Ben Ray Luján

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Antigone Davis

QuestionAsks whether Facebook or Instagram collects personally identifiable data on children under 13 without parental consent.

Response"Respectfully, Senator, we do not allow children under the age of 13—"

Response"Senator, it would be my understanding that we don’t since we don’t allow them on our apps.”

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Exchange 11 · 1:53:13 ▶

Cynthia Lummis → Antigone Davis

Narrative: Profits over SafetyOther Topics: Behavioral Targeting
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Cynthia Lummis

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Antigone Davis

Question"Ms. Davis, has Facebook conducted research into how children are more easily manipulated by highly personalized advertising?"

ResponseSays she isn't familiar with the cited research, but notes minors can only be targeted by age, gender, or location, and Messenger Kids under-13 has no ads.

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Exchange 12

Amy Klobuchar → Antigone Davis

Narrative: ConcealmentHarm: Body image & eating disorders
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Amy Klobuchar

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Antigone Davis

QuestionAsks when and how Meta's safety head first learned of internal research on body image and teen mental health.

ResponseSays her team works closely with researchers on an ongoing basis to understand and improve teens' platform experiences.

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Exchange 13

Ben Ray Luján → Antigone Davis

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Ben Ray Luján

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Antigone Davis

Question"Will Facebook release the basis of its research revealed in reporting by the Wall Street Journal (the datasets minus any personally identifiable information) to allow for independent analysis?"

ResponseExplains confidentiality protects candid internal debate, while citing efforts toward more transparency and continued external research publication.

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Exchange 14 · 2:24:00 ▶

Dan Sullivan → Antigone Davis

Harm: Addiction & problematic useInitiative: Take a Break
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Dan Sullivan

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Antigone Davis

QuestionPresses on exactly which claims -- addictive design or mental-health harm -- he disagrees with.

ResponseDisagrees the product is addictive, citing the time-spent dashboard, reminders, and 'take a break' feature as tools addressing parental concerns.

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Exchange 15 · 1:05:19 ▶

Amy Klobuchar → Antigone Davis

Narrative: KnowledgeHarm: Body image & eating disorders
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Amy Klobuchar

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Antigone Davis

QuestionAsks when Meta's safety head learned that internal research found Instagram worsens body image for one in three teen girls, and what she did about it.

ResponseClarifies the finding applied to girls who already had the issue, confirms she knew, and cites resulting changes like a dedicated eating-disorder reporting flow.

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Exchange 16 · 1:49:31 ▶

Marsha Blackburn → Antigone Davis

Harm: Body image & eating disordersDesign feature: Content Algorithm
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Marsha Blackburn

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Antigone Davis

QuestionAsks why a test account set up as a 13-year-old immediately received eating-disorder and self-harm content, and what AI drove that.

ResponseDenies directing users to eating-disorder content, calls it a policy violation, and cites AI used to find and remove it.

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Exchange 17 · 48:10 ▶

Richard Blumenthal → Antigone Davis

Narrative: ConcealmentNarrative: KnowledgeHarm: Body image & eating disordersHarm: Suicide & self-injuryOther Topics: Causality
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Richard Blumenthal

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Antigone Davis

QuestionCites three undisclosed internal Facebook studies on teen body image/social comparison harms; presses Davis to commit to full disclosure of all research.

ResponseDavis says the research isn't causal/a "bombshell," some reports already released, cites privacy considerations for not releasing more; declines to commit to full disclosure.

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Exchange 18 · 53:43 ▶

Richard Blumenthal → Antigone Davis

Narrative: Profits over SafetyNarrative: ConcealmentNarrative: Youth TargetingDesign feature: Secondary/Secret Accounts
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Richard Blumenthal

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Antigone Davis

QuestionBlumenthal characterizes "Finstas" (teens' secret second accounts) as a deliberate Facebook growth strategy that helps hide activity from parents and boosts monetizable engagement metrics.

ResponseDavis says Finstas were a teen-driven behavior, not a Facebook-built feature, and points to upcoming parental supervisory tools as evidence Facebook isn't hiding teen activity.

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Exchange 19 · 1:00:30 ▶

Marsha Blackburn → Antigone Davis

Narrative: ConcealmentNarrative: KnowledgeNarrative: Profits over SafetyHarm: Child sexual exploitation
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Marsha Blackburn

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Antigone Davis

QuestionCiting an internal report, Blackburn says Facebook knew about domestic-servitude/trafficking content and only acted once Apple threatened to pull the app from the App Store; asks whether young girls on the platform are exposed to it.

ResponseDavis disputes the characterization, says Facebook has anti-trafficking policies; does not directly answer the "did you know / why the delay" or child-exposure questions.

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Exchange 20 · 1:02:55 ▶

Marsha Blackburn → Antigone Davis

Narrative: Youth TargetingNarrative: ConcealmentInitiative: TweensInitiative: Children's Data Privacy
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Marsha Blackburn

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Antigone Davis

QuestionCiting a WSJ-reported internal document about future product targeting ("tweens... as young as eight"), Blackburn asks point-blank whether Facebook conducts market research on tweens, and accuses Facebook of COPPA-violating data collection on children.

ResponseDavis says the cited document is actually about an age-appropriate design code framework (referencing Sen. Markey's work), not Facebook's own market-research targeting decision; does not directly answer yes/no.

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Exchange 21 · 1:07:06 ▶

Amy Klobuchar → Antigone Davis

Narrative: Youth TargetingNarrative: ConcealmentInitiative: Instagram for Kids
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Amy Klobuchar

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Antigone Davis

QuestionKlobuchar presses on who specifically will decide whether to "unpause" the paused Instagram-for-kids-under-13 project, and by what criteria.

ResponseDavis never names a decision-maker or criteria; says it will be a "collaborative team" guided by youth advisors, parents, and policymakers.

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Exchange 22 · 1:08:23 ▶

Amy Klobuchar → Antigone Davis

Narrative: ConcealmentNarrative: Profits over SafetyOther Topics: Behavioral Targeting
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Amy Klobuchar

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Antigone Davis

QuestionKlobuchar asks whether Facebook's reported $51/quarter ad-revenue-per-user figure includes Instagram, and specifically revenue from users under 18.

ResponseDavis says it's not her area, doesn't answer whether the figure includes Instagram/under-18 revenue; says Facebook has "always limited" ads to young people.

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Exchange 23 · 1:12:30 ▶

Edward Markey → Antigone Davis

Narrative: Youth TargetingNarrative: Profits over SafetyHarm: Suicide & self-injuryHarm: Body image & eating disordersDesign feature: LikesInitiative: Instagram for Kids
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Edward Markey

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Antigone Davis

QuestionCiting internal stats (32% of teen girls / 6% of teen users linking Instagram to suicidal ideation), Markey demands a yes/no commitment that Facebook won't launch under-12 platforms with popularity-quantifying features (likes, follower counts).

ResponseDavis disputes the "big tobacco" framing and does not give a yes/no commitment; says feature decisions will be made "with experts."

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Exchange 24 · 1:16:18 ▶

Edward Markey → Antigone Davis

Narrative: Youth TargetingNarrative: Profits over SafetyHarm: Body image & eating disordersDesign feature: Content Algorithm
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Edward Markey

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Antigone Davis

QuestionMarkey seeks a yes/no commitment against (1) launching kids' platforms with influencer/commercial content children can't recognize as ads, and (2) algorithms that funnel teens toward harmful content like diet-pill ads and COVID misinformation.

ResponseDavis doesn't commit yes/no; notes Messenger Kids shows no ads at all, and that weight-loss ads are already barred for under-18s.

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